Why Americans Are Annyoing

I could have named it Part I, but that would be harsh. As you might know, I love the American culture and their  people. Some things I can’t get over with. Outside of the US, we mainly see the loudest people. You know, the crazy opinions that make no sense whatsoever. A lot of times, I correct the image, saying that almost everyone I meet is more nuanced than the image would suggest. I tell how you can have perfectly normal conversations about politics, culture, philosophy and many more in a respectful manner. And then there’s these people:

I thought about it a long, long time.

Why would you do that? How do you know this? Something tells me you didn’t do an awful lot of research* on abortions in Nazi Germany, nor is it likely you were there. This probably indicates you want this to be true, rather than it actually being true. Leaving the truth debate for now, what are you going for with this? Where in the Bible does it say ‘Behold, if the tips and tricks provided through this book do not seem sufficient, why not turn to manipulation?’ It may be a personal view, but I feel this is not a christian attitude. At least not an outreaching one.

What overstated opinion gets you ticking?

Was it this blog post?

For my earlier post on abortion views in the US, click here.

* I did do some research. There is a Newsweek article that pretty much seems to be the basis for this (Hitler’s children by Joshua Hammer, not  available with references). Furthermore, I have found some more scientific articles, stating basically the same thing. An article by John Hunt, Perfecting humankind: a comparison of progressive and nazi views on eugenics, steralization, and abortion puts that same outcome in a historical perspective. An 1988 article by David, Fleischhacker and Hoehn seems to add a different light to the debate, but I couldn’t read it with my university clearance. You are more than welcome  to help me search and suggest articles along the same line. However, the statement doesn’t seem as untrue as I thought it was. For a more thorough understanding on the topic, read the comments below.

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16 thoughts on “Why Americans Are Annyoing

  1. There are a lot of idiots, know-it-alls who work to make things fit what THEY want. Does it seem to you the human race is getting more messed up? One step forwared and two steps back? UGH.

  2. You explained it perfectly! That sign shocks me to my core. It is excruciating to see the church desperate enough to try manipulation. Equally detrimental is the soft pacifist preacher that gives a cute little sermon to stroke the church’s ego. Don’t want to offend anybody, now do we? It weakens the Church, not encourages it. “For someone who lives on milk is still an infant and doesn’t know how to do what is right” (Heb. 5:13). We need to get some meaty messages in the pulpits today. But not manipulative ones. Is equilibrium that hard to reach?!

    And yes, we are a LOUD nation. Every time I travel overseas, I can pick out the crazy Americans with just one look or sound bite. It can be quite obnoxious. I’m all for loud and rawdy *when* the time permits. But it gives people the impression we’re insensitive and rude to stomp through foreign streets (well, ANY streets for that matter) bellowing nonsense, snapping any remnants of peace and serenity like a frail twig.

    • For someone being anonymous, you have a tremendous comment. Thank you for stopping by. I think equilibirum is indeed hard to reach and of course the extremes draw our attention (and as you pointed out, your country knows drawing attention like no other). However, I feel we need to go to that equilibrium you mentioned, maybe by zigzagging within ourselves, but we should try at least. I believe we’d get help with that 🙂

      • I’m so sorry! I don’t know why it posted as anonymous. I thought I had signed it but when I pushed the ‘post’ button it disappeared. I was so ticked. Thought I lost my comment completely.

  3. Regarding your research – while the statement may not be as untrue as you originally thought, the sentiment that the statement implies IS as untrue as you thought. While there may be some truth that the Nazi laws on abortions and the current laws in most states in the U.S. about abortions are not as dissimilar as they could be, the thought process behind the laws is entirely different. In the United States, many citizens hold the view that a woman has the right to decide what is done with her body. In the National Socialist Party in WW II-era Germany, the law was encouraged by their fascination with the science of eugenics. They didn’t allow abortions out of respect for women – they allowed conditional abortions out of respect for ending the genetic heritage of any culture that they deemed inferior.

    Nazi comparisons are inexcusable, and both “sides” in the United States make them. While it is tempting to demonize someone like, say, Rush Limbaugh, by making a Hitler comparison – “Rush Limbaugh shouts racist statements to huge crowds of fanatics who mindlessly tow the party line, and SO DID HITLER!!!!” – the implication that results from that statement (Rush Limbaugh would, if given the chance, murder the majority of the Jewish population of Europe) is inaccurate, unfair, and poisonous.

    • You’re absolutely right. My research was only intended to prove this church sign was lying. I didn’t want to put a huge disclaimer up, but merely correct myself. The intentions were completely different and historically bonded (according to Hunt, most of the Western world shared the same genetic fascination back then, which we can now look back on in retrospect). But you add a valuable sidenote, thanks for that. What also strikes me is their (unintended) ambigouity in morality. They’re taking on two points at once. First off, you could believe the church is telling us they are against abortion, since the Nazis did it too. Secondly, they point at the horror of abortion based on race. This could lead to the following (false) reasoning:
      1. We oppose Nazis
      2. Nazis were against abortion of healthy babies
      3. Therefore, we might want to review our sign.

      I think there’s a lot of danger in bringing up WWII in any discussion. Again, I think you’re right. What always baffles me is how I hear a lot about Goebbles. I am always told Goebbles was responsible for German propaganda in the 30’s and 40’s. I have never heard the name Goebbles other than in discussions about how we have to watch out for people who try and use propaganda. Anyone else for a cup of irony?

      • Americans LOVE to talk about WW II, I think, for a couple of reasons. Firstly, is there a better enemy than Nazis?? We hate the moral ambiguity of fighting people who are just like us – and every video game develop knows, only two enemies can be mercilessly killed by the hundreds without the chance of invoking a shred of guilt in the player: Nazis, and zombies.

        Secondly, the U.S. came into WW II relatively late in the game, and after the Allies in Europe had already been slugging it out with Hitler for YEARS. France was occupied, the English were tired and carpet-bombed on a daily basis. . . the Americans came in with SWAGGER! We love to talk about how “we won” WW II. There hasn’t been a less morally ambiguous war since, nor one that ended so decisively (and obviously) in our favor.

        So yeah – talking about WW II is as American as “mom and apple pie”. . . which is an odd statement, really, because everyone has moms and Dutch apple pie is MUCH better than the other kind. But I digress.

    • There is very little mlddie ground because a large percentage of pro lifers are actually against birth control. One of those is Susan Orr. Per the Washington Post: Susan Orr, most recently an associate commissioner in the Administration for Children and Families, was appointed Monday to be acting deputy assistant secretary for population affairs. She will oversee $283 million in annual grants to provide low-income families and others with contraceptive services, counseling and preventive screenings.

      • Welcome here, thanks for commenting. I cannot really understand your argument, as it seems somewhat a bunch of facts. You are more than welcome to clarify yourself though.

  4. It’s almost as if the abortion discussion itself needed a little spicing up that some church (while preaching foregiveness around the corner) would Godwin the topic. The term Godwin does leave a very sour taste in my uterus, errr mouth as He sure doesnt look like a winner next to a sigh like that.

    I do believe that abortion -and euthanasia next door- suffers the individuals-are-wonderful-effect. It’s perfectly fine to reject abortion as a whole on religious grounds, but at the same time there is no way that any reasonable* person would deny that poor woman that got raped (and doesn’t have a job and therefore soon will be homeless, has no future and all that) an abortion. Call that morally ambiguous all you want, but that is about the only way abortion can be legal yet still anyone can say it shouldn’t be. Or vice versa, prohibit abortion all you want, but you will be fully able to make exceptions for the needy.

    * This inquestionably is the weakness of this theory.

    On a cultural perspective:
    For a free country there’s an awful lot of people telling you what you should and shouldn’t do.

    In that sign, why are there quotation marks to ”legal” and ”healthy aryan”?

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  6. In the U.S. I see more individuality than in Europe. Americans in general (yes, I’m generalizing) have less of a problem with voicing opinions that are outside the mainstream. Europeans, on the other hand, seem to place more value on being in tune with mainstream thinking. You don’t want to be uncool. You grow up under a soft dictatorship of established opinion, and unless you leave your country, you will never even notice it. That unnuanced (the worst sin in Europe) and blunt church sign displays a freedom of thought and expression that I love about America.

    • I’m not sure about that (as I, according to your premisse, couldn’t be). I would agree with you on the fact that the Dutch place more value on an approach that strikes more with common sense than said church sign. There is great value in freedom of speech, but it seems that only those who should use least of it seem account for most of the noise.

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